Agreed. If I had the resources, that's the card that woul be #1 on my list.
Unfortunately, I completely agree. What these new collectors want from the hobby does not intersect with the satisfaction and reverence for history that we share here.BobbyVCP wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:54 pmThere is a lot of new money in the hobby right now with very deep pockets...but their collecting interests are only for the
new and shiny cards, primarily basketball. They have no interest in the old stuff as of yet. So I think the crazy prices we see
for these modern cards does not translate to what most of the people here collect.
Rhotch wrote: ↑Fri Jul 24, 2020 6:22 pmI think it is 1000% natural for new "collectors" to go for Modern, and modern players of the sport of their choice. That is what they connect to. When I first started collecting it was all about Topps, Fleer, and Donruss and I collected football (a sport I like much more than baseball), as enthusiastically as I collected baseball cards. I think the cards we (here) collect are for old soles and seasoned collectors, and I think as some new collectors' tastes mature, they may start to play in the Vintage sandbox -- first its the Mantles and Robinsons and later the Ruths and the Cobbs. I think that is the natural progression (and once you get to the Ruths and Cobbs, and Cullivan Fireside and E104-2 Nadjas, you are dead meat - a full card addict).
It is about the story. What’s Honus Wagner’s story? He was a great player, probably the greatest shortstop ever, but the average guy on the street couldn’t tell you jack about him. Most people wouldn’t even know who he was. How about Babe Ruth? Everyone knows who he was. Wagner was a great player, Ruth changed the game. The card value argument is almost moot. There are nine or ten copies of the BN Ruth. Of these, one is in the Babe Ruth Museum and seven of the others are in collections that they are never coming out of (at least not during the collectors lifetimes). That doesn’t leave much of an opportunity to pick one up, regardless of the price. The Wagner is a great card, but if you are willing to write the check there is one for you.samosa4u wrote: ↑Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:14 amIt's always about the stories, man. What makes someone want to spend a ton of money on a Basquiat painting or an Action Comics #1 or a T206 Wagner? Again, the stories! These buyers want to spend weeks blabbering about their purchases (in front of their poor friends )
With the above being said, the T206 Wagner is THE CARD! You could spend months talking about it, such as how it was the first card that PSA graded, Mastro scandal, Gretzky and other celebrities who have owned one, why this card was short-printed, the hundreds of articles written by collectors and members of the media, the books, etc.
The Balimore News Babe Ruth is awesome, but doesn't come close at the moment. However, this could always change five - ten years from now. Look at the Leaf Jackie Robinson; nobody gave a fuck about it for a long time and now it's ... wwoooooooooooooooo!!!
By the way, it would be so cool if Rhotch and Curious could put their Wagners on display side-by-side at the Toronto Expo.
Agree. It's really Ruth first, Cobb second and the occasional Jackson card up there as well. And one Wagner. Everyone else is below, usually far below.
Cobb has hundreds of cards to a fraction for Jackson. If you total up Cobb sales vs. Jackson year by year it's not even close. Yes, there's a handful of expensive Jacksons but very few have any population. CJ and E90-1?